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Plothole in roshi's moon busting feat?
Topic Started: Dec 2 2011, 07:53 AM (1,642 Views)
brolyeuphyfusion
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Roshi = 139
Buff Roshi = 180
ChiChi = 130
Farmer = 5

Buff Roshi is only 36 times stronger than an average human, but how can he destroy the moon?
And chichi is only 50 pl lower, but chichi obviously can't destroy a mountain
If roshi can destroy the moon, simple powerscaling would tell you that the farmer would be able to destroy a mountain, which he obviously can't do

possible plothole?
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Not really. Remember, Chi Chi and the farmer can't do a Kamehameha, or any kind of ki blast, which Roshi used to destroy the moon. If Chi Chi could do the same attack, maybe she could destroy a mountain.
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raditz at full power only destroyed a mountain
moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain
how's that?
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I'm not convinced that's full power. He only used one hand for those attack and didn't spend long charging them up.
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Raditz was not aiming to destroy the planet, he concentrated his power.
Also if it's not a continuous supply of energy the planet won't be destroyed. So if he just fires off a quick beam you can't expect the planet to blow up since he can't gather enough ki in that time, he needs to either charge up a ball of ki, or fire a beam for a prolonged period of time.
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broly and hercule fusion
Dec 2 2011, 08:07 AM
raditz at full power only destroyed a mountain
moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain
how's that?
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RADITZ WASN'T EVEN TRYING, HE WAS PLAYING AROUND AND HE HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN 5 MOUNTAINS, SO I THINK THAT ROSHI'S MOON BUST ISN'T A PLOT HOLE.

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Was Raditz even trying? I think he's a multi-dwarf planet buster at best.
There is no plot-hole.
Vegeta who was 12 times more powerful than Raditz impled that at his full power and using his strongest attack would destroy the Earth.
Vegeta at full power with Gulic Gun is 22 times more powerful than Raditz at his full power (Without attacks).


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Dec 2 2011, 02:14 PM
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Unnecessary and an overreaction. Looking back you will probably regret saying that over such a trivial dispute.

Well anyway yeh he wasn't trying too hard.
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*rage turned on*
@supersaqer: look also at the original post!!! I don't even use that feat in my thread "Planets, Stars, and Power Levels". You keep using that feat!! I'm better off using the 300 kili line in the babidi saga!! Roshi is ONLY 36 times stronger than a regular human!!! Can a regular human destroy mt. everest!!! I brought that up because you scaled his physical strength on that feat!!! CAN CHICHI DESTROY A MOUNTAIN? NO!! And she is MORE THAN HALF BUFF ROSHI's pl!! I believe that vegeta was going for a CORESHOT!!!

:arrg: :@ :arrg:
Who dies in a horrible death NOW!!!

*rage turned off*

@wolffanghameha: Let's say raditz used 25% of his power(what could be considered an effortless attack). That would be about 300, nearly twice roshi's buff form.
Edited by brolyeuphyfusion, Dec 2 2011, 02:46 PM.
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You also have to look at this another way. Think how powerful Vegeta's Final Flash was against Cell. That could have destroyed the earth easy, but all it did was make a crater because Vegeta concentrated it as he wasn't aiming to blow up the earth. Same with Raditz. He wasn't looking to blow up parts of the planet, he was just trying to kill two people. Roshi was actually trying to destroy the moon. Also, there's no evidence to say Chi Chi couldn't destroy a mountain if she could do a ki blast. We'll never know because she never tried.
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broly and hercule fusion
Dec 2 2011, 08:07 AM
raditz at full power only destroyed a mountain
moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain
how's that?
Dude,the moon destruction is just a show off of what characters are REALLY capable of,of course that in anime they won't do such powerful attacks,because :
- Super Saiyans would destroy the earth by just powering up,in logic
- you can not animate the speeds they are supposed to move at(even Raditz was stated to be faster than light),so they are shown to be moving normally,in reality super saiyans could go around the earth in less than a second
- a simple ki blast from a super saiyan would destroy the earth,not just make a 2m hole

Btw,what about following 2 "plotholes" ?

- Frieza can destroy a planet like earth,and everything ON earth with a simple ki blast,but he is MUCH weaker than the androids 17 and 18 that are made from metals on earth,which Frieza,and in fact every saiyan can break without even trying

- Characters clothes are just damaged by planet destroying attacks,damn I'd like clothes as those

I got some more,but I'm too lazy to search for them right now,I actually got it written somewhere :blush:


Edited by DarkCore, Dec 2 2011, 04:15 PM.
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broly and hercule fusion
Dec 2 2011, 02:30 PM
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@supersaqer: look also at the original post!!! I don't even use that feat in my thread "Planets, Stars, and Power Levels". You keep using that feat!! I'm better off using the 300 kili line in the babidi saga!! Roshi is ONLY 36 times stronger than a regular human!!! Can a regular human destroy mt. everest!!! I brought that up because you scaled his physical strength on that feat!!! CAN CHICHI DESTROY A MOUNTAIN? NO!! And she is MORE THAN HALF BUFF ROSHI's pl!! I believe that vegeta was going for a CORESHOT!!!

:arrg: :@ :arrg:
Who dies in a horrible death NOW!!!

*rage turned off*

@wolffanghameha: Let's say raditz used 25% of his power(what could be considered an effortless attack). That would be about 300, nearly twice roshi's buff form.
Who says Chi-Chi can't do it? She never tried to, she can't do those energy attacks. I'm sure if Chi-Chi knew the kamehameha, she can destroy the moon...as stupid as I might sound.

Also...this is one of the reasons Akira stopped using PLs lol
Edited by NavonWise, Dec 2 2011, 04:36 PM.
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DarkCore
Dec 2 2011, 04:14 PM
broly and hercule fusion
Dec 2 2011, 08:07 AM
raditz at full power only destroyed a mountain
moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain
how's that?
Dude,the moon destruction is just a show off of what characters are REALLY capable of,of course that in anime they won't do such powerful attacks,because :
- Super Saiyans would destroy the earth by just powering up,in logic
- you can not animate the speeds they are supposed to move at(even Raditz was stated to be faster than light),so they are shown to be moving normally,in reality super saiyans could go around the earth in less than a second
- a simple ki blast from a super saiyan would destroy the earth,not just make a 2m hole

Btw,what about following 2 "plotholes" ?

- Frieza can destroy a planet like earth,and everything ON earth with a simple ki blast,but he is MUCH weaker than the androids 17 and 18 that are made from metals on earth,which Frieza,and in fact every saiyan can break without even trying

- Characters clothes are just damaged by planet destroying attacks,damn I'd like clothes as those

I got some more,but I'm too lazy to search for them right now,I actually got it written somewhere :blush:


Power levels in Dragon Ball make no sense whatsoever.



Clothes-protected by ki. If a character is strong enough to take a blast then the clothes are protected by their ki. Otherwise the clothes are ripped more because less ki can be devoted to the clothing.


Androids- they are artificial humans. It is never said they are made of metals. They are most likely made of animal cells just like Cell, but have different DNA. In fact I don't know if this is just in the Funimation dub but they were previously regular humans. If they do have metal parts they are within, so are protected by the organic material.


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Dec 2 2011, 02:14 PM
broly and hercule fusion
Dec 2 2011, 08:07 AM
raditz at full power only destroyed a mountain
moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mountain
how's that?
Please die in a horrible death.
RADITZ WASN'T EVEN TRYING, HE WAS PLAYING AROUND AND HE HAS DESTROYED MORE THAN 5 MOUNTAINS, SO I THINK THAT ROSHI'S MOON BUST ISN'T A PLOT HOLE.

Skip to 1:12
Was Raditz even trying? I think he's a multi-dwarf planet buster at best.
There is no plot-hole.
Vegeta who was 12 times more powerful than Raditz impled that at his full power and using his strongest attack would destroy the Earth.
Vegeta at full power with Gulic Gun is 22 times more powerful than Raditz at his full power (Without attacks).


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It's pretty simple Master Roshi putted a lot of ki into the Buff Kamehameha. Ki is Energy after all and more energy you put into blast the powerful it becomes.

180 x [1.50] (Full Power Kamehameha) = 270
408 x [3.25] (Makankosappo) = 1,326
Son Goku's Kamehameha = 924

Chi Chi would need to power up the Kamehameha power level at 270 to successfully destroy the moon. This is just a theory take it as you please.

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Raditz ki blast did blow off Piccolo's arm most likely his double blast is 450-500. Which would be enough to destory the moon.
Edited by Fourth Doctor Who, Dec 3 2011, 02:27 PM.
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It just hit me. That thought, that roshi actually just coreshotted the moon.
did you think of that as well?
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